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Smart Water

Get a smart meter free from your water company – to see how much water you are using by the hour, day or month! You can set a daily allowance target for yourself and your family and see how different activities affect your consumption. Consistently use less and receive rewards from your water provider. Choose from different units of measurement; cups, buckets or baths and see how much you’re using!

Gina LoBuglio Mar 31, 2015

I like the idea of 'gamifying' water use - this is partly what I meant when I commented on Waternet.

https://watertalkers.crowdicity.com/category/#/post/100813

As before, I wonder how this would be implemented by the water companies? Any thoughts on that?

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anita lewis Mar 31, 2015

As previously mentioned im not sure timewise I would find this useful but would possibly give it a go for kids to get involved with.I imagine it would be tricky to  sustain use though and, being honest, my family would probably only look at it when it first arrived!

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anita lewis Mar 31, 2015

Im sure there will be many people though that would use this enthusiastically so I have voted it up! Different approaches suit different people.

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Louis Allen Mar 31, 2015

maybe an app or chart would be good

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Jim Samme Mar 31, 2015

I don't mind the smart meter, but I don't fancy the smart bill..

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mark burns Mar 31, 2015

im hoping to get one of these, ive already had the gas and electric one and get to keep an eye on my daily usage and set daily allowances which is really good 

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Steph Meachen Apr 1, 2015

Love it. yes PLease

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George Richardson Apr 3, 2015

I think Bambi is correct in most things nowadays hold peoples attention for very short periods

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David Simoes-Brown Apr 10, 2015

yes I agree with you George.  I got a smart electric meter and didn't even fit it!    However if it could be attractive and intrusive enough this idea might work (and it's free). 

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George Richardson Apr 3, 2015

I really believe everyone should be fitted with a smart meter in their homes,then you totally have the choice to look at or not. However if you really want to save water it will give you every chance.

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anita lewis Apr 3, 2015

I expect new houses in the near future will have smart meters for all amenities .

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George Richardson Apr 4, 2015

Bambi i really hope that comes to be.

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Janet Bradley Apr 4, 2015

I am the person who doesn't want a smart meter... Obsessives make things difficult when such meters are installed.

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Janet Bradley Apr 4, 2015

However, I do accept that this may be the way forward for many.... Most people would be shocked when they saw how much water is used in their home.

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George Richardson Apr 4, 2015

I am sorry aster1x if you have obsessive tendencies difficult to manage. As for people being shocked that would surely be good and lead to them cutting back on excessive usage.

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Janet Bradley Apr 4, 2015

Nope, I do not have an obsessive nature, far from it... I just know ones who do... 

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Mary O'Connor Apr 4, 2015

I like the idea of this. I really do have no idea how much water I am using at the moment, so this concept would help me a lot.

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George Richardson Apr 4, 2015

Hammy i think every one of us has learned so much in just over a month,and it has had a big impression on how i think and talk about water to the many teachers and informers of opinion i meet. Even to all prospective  M.P.s for The Calder Valley Constituency..

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George Richardson Apr 4, 2015

Glad to hear that you are fine. Although i think we have all become a little obsessive about this site...IT is keeping us out of trouble,i think.

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Mary O'Connor Apr 5, 2015

What are we going to do with our time when Water Talkers comes to an end??!!

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Jim Samme Apr 5, 2015

Well, summer is nearly here. I'm sure that will help.

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George Richardson Apr 5, 2015

Not only are we learning plenty from all the information,and inspiration from the ideas being put forward by so many,but i think we can now all disagree and put forward our views withoutanimosity. That in itself is a valuable lesson.

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Janet Bradley Apr 5, 2015

That is very true... It is important that we can say what we think...agree and disagree... It all helps to form the average opinion... If we all agreed on everything it would be very unrealistic. We all come from different walks of life with differing experiences.. we can all bring something to the table.

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George Richardson Apr 5, 2015

Gina on the very first comment asked how would the water companies make smart meters work, i suppose not being a Techie the answer in this modern age,would seem to be to ask what would you want it to do, I am sure they could incorporate,many games around water.the games people would have a ball designing them.but the serious stuff of measuring usage and cost would again be able to give you  exactly what you want. It could tell you pint by pint or gallon by gallon how much you have used daily,with the cost per day alongside,with a button to zero it daily,but with a running total always available.The same in Litres if that is your preferred option.id est you could extract whatever and whenever,a daily and running total of usage and cost ,with games for the children,or grown ups if wanted.

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Janet Bradley Apr 5, 2015

I have been thinking about the way it would record usage. One thing that this site has established is that we struggle with measuring the size of water usage.

so I think a smart meter should be able to record usage in a way that each person can understand it.... So you can record your usage in wetts, litres, cubic metres..... But then also, number of bottles of water... Bottles of wine.... Baked bean tins.... Buckets... Oxo cubes.... Anything that you can visualise. Each person can submit their suggestion for size to the water board ano if reasonable this can be included in a software update.

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Janet Bradley Apr 5, 2015

This would be fun... Provide opportunities to change the calibration for each individual at regular intervals so that you will keep going back to it.

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Jim Samme Apr 5, 2015

Imaginative thinking that could be applied to gas and electric and a whole host of other things.

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George Richardson Apr 5, 2015

aster1x  it is that broad range of experience and accumulated knowledge that makes a forum like this so productive with every thing from brilliant to completely off the wall brought forward moulded and hopefully superb concepts are born.

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George Richardson Apr 5, 2015

Exactly what is needed a meter, for all people,all capabilities allowing them in the easiest form for them to understand,how much they are using at what cost,so they can easily adjust usage ti what they can afford. Not this one measure fits all at present which is completely wrong as most people have no idea how to work our and compare bills, Allowing a whole industry of comparison sites to grow all at the customers expense.How hard everyone trys to remove our few hard earned coppers from us.

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Jim Samme Apr 5, 2015

Now we're getting down to the base of the subject. The water companys know there is plenty of water out there, the cost to them is in the extraction and movement of water, which is the really expensive part. That explains why there is no national grid for water because while it's possible from an engineering prospect the cost rules it out of the equasion. If they were ever forced to build a national water grid the shareholders will suffer and probably take their money elswhere. So the water companys' are desparate to find ways to implement water savings so they can continue to enjoy the vast profits they make now.

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George Richardson Apr 5, 2015

That was always the argument against shareholders holding utilities,and as the years go by the drift to chaos continues.All utilities should have been kept in public ownership for the public good,not large institutions that are major share holders. But then the ordinary person is easily persuaded to give away their hard earned rights and money to their, "masters", "betters" "rich and powerful" or whatever name you want to give the 5% who control about 90% of the worlds wealth. To What End, i have no idea. At Least hard as we are told they were as masters the Victorian Entrepeneurs,built our infrastructure,and many of our great buildings.

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Janet Bradley Apr 5, 2015

Anyhow..... I was thinking, no one looks at their electricity meter mid reading, and think about what they are using... Why should water be any different? 99% of people will carry on using the water they perceive they need anyway and not cut back. It will just be a gadget that willbe of interest for the first year... And then most will forget.

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Katie100 Apr 7, 2015

I know this is the way forward to me saving water, but I have a lodger now, which has put me off asking for a water meter! I need to address this...I don't have obsessive tendencies,  I bet over a year I would start to really properly keep an eye on water use....

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anita lewis Apr 7, 2015

I think this puts off families or anyone else who doesnt want to run the risk of having to ration water to afford it in the way some people struggle with their heating bills.

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Janet Bradley Apr 7, 2015

Totally agree with that bambi... they don't want to mess with what they have... takes you into the unknown.

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Janet Bradley Apr 7, 2015

Does your lodger have long showers? Would suggest using the tap clicker to ascertain usage before deciding whether to have a water meter!! :-)

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George Richardson Apr 7, 2015

Talk to your lodger,if having a water meter increases you charges ,explain to him before fitting,that such a scenario would lead to him having to share that cost with yoy.

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Kate Humpho Apr 8, 2015

I'm a bit late to the party here, but as a recent water meter user (we moved 6 months ago to a house with a water meter) I would LOVE to have an accurate, up to the minute smart meter.  I often ponder water usage while washing my hands, a trickle of water is sufficient, yet most taps just gush, and so i could do further experiments, seeing how we could reduce usage further!  also, I don't entirely trust my washing machine instruction booklet on water usage, a smart meter would be really useful for me.

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Janet Bradley Apr 10, 2015

I have wondered how accurate the washing machine manual is... you know how when you get a car it says it does a certain miles to the gallon, but you never ever achieve that... I wonder if the same about appliances!

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Jim Samme Apr 10, 2015

Yes I wonder too. My dishwasher retains a certain amount of water to use on the next cycle and that varies depending on how clean it is.

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Nathan Johnson Apr 10, 2015

Many people don't realise that the relationship between water and energy usage. It is great a lot of people have a good understanding of the water consumption but what we never see is how much is the real value of that water.

A smart meter would need to take into account the cost of heating the water to give you a true picture of consumption. Having a washing machine on a 60 degrees and 30 degree will cost the same in water usage but more in energy. If people have more baths, the true cost is higher because we have to heat a higher volume of water.

The ideal smart meter should include gas, electric and water usage turning this into CO2 and £'s for each smart appliance. We need to have smart appliances that can caluate this and feed it into a central dashboard.

 

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Janet Bradley Apr 10, 2015

very difficult to calculate the energy costs too - we are all on such different energy plans... in fact, I have an oil boiler and we fill up with oil every few months and it's a different price every time as the cost of oil barrels changes quite significantly!

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George Richardson Apr 10, 2015

Nathan Hi,welcome but unfortunately to the last day of the forum.The idea is well conceived technically,as i would expect from one of your age.However unless you can come up with the Silver Bullet,as to how you can persuade shareholders and C.E.O's of different Utilities,many foreign owned,to work together for the good of the consumers and country,not just there profits,i fear that is what it will remain.A good idea.

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